Questions

It has been a while since I’ve written on the blog… we have been a bit preoccupied as of late.  Baby Harp is officially due in 3 days time, and this means that my wits and I have met their end.  What day is it? What month is it? What year is it? I just have lost the answers to these seemingly simple questions. Haha

Seriously though, some of the questions I have been asked recently aren’t as simple as these. If I am going to struggle with the date, then I am certainly going to be challenged with these gems. I hope you are as encouraged (and challenged) by them as we have been.

From Ivan, age 8, “If Jesus died for His enemies, does that include the Devil?”

From Edwin, age 12, “God said that Adam and Eve would die if they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, but they did not die, and since the Bible says God cannot sin does this indicate a lie? Can you please explain this to me?” Wow!! I will be answering this question soon.

Our current question has already taken two class periods of discussion: “Are the books/bibles that Moses wrote still in existence, e.g. not destroyed?” This is from Conner, age 12.

This has led to a discussion of the Scribes who copied the original autographs of the Bible. We talked about how we can trust that the original message from God has been preserved when we observe the strict guidelines the scribes followed, and also by comparing the ancient texts we have today.

We continue to encourage the children that questions are vital for developing in life and in God. I explain that if someone is not willing to entertain a question, there is something wrong. We have been amazed at the hearts of these young people. They keep us on our toes, and we pray that they will continue to ask and that we will continue to answer.

Please pray for us in the coming weeks.

God bless.

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~ by harphouse on December 5, 2011.

4 Responses to “Questions”

  1. “If Jesus died for His enemies, does that include the Devil?” Two thoughts here. Was forgiveness offered to Satan and “his” angels prior to the creation of Adam? And, when the promise given to Adam (Gen 3:15) and defined to Abram (Gen 12:3) was it offered to Satan? Which leads to the next question, when did Satan fall?

    It appears that the angels were created to ‘serve” the saved (Heb 1:14). He did just the opposite, corrupting/tempting the very creation he was suppose to help. It reminds me of ” Temptations to sin are sure to come, but woe to the one through whome they com. It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause on these little ones to sin” (Luke 17:1,2)

    To answer Ivan’s question, 1) The bible does not address forgiveness to the angels, but does address there would be emnity/strife between Satan and mankind. At this point Satan is cursed. In my opinion, Satan fell at this time. After creation, everything was good. There was not any evil. But Satan introduced/tempted Eve by perverting God’s word. Therefore, the same type of judgement that Jesus spoke of in Luke 17 was pronounced on Satan and man. But he offered hope with his promise to Eve. Their punishment was far less severe than that of Satan. In Chapter 4 of Genesis, there appears to an instruction (not recorded) that they were to sacrifice gifts to God. So, again, it appears that God offered hope of their reconciliation through their obedience. There was some expectations from man that God gave them that man failed to “live up to” which God caused the flood to come. Noah preached over 100 years to his fellow man, but not one of the them repented.

    In my opinion, since Satan was a spirit being that was to serve man, the offer of forgiveness was not offered to him and to those who rebelled with him. Read Hebrews 2:14-18 speaks of Christ destroy the one who has the power of death, Satan. vs 17 “For surely it is not angels he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. Therefore he had to be made like his brotheres in every respect…to make propitiation for the sins of the people.”

    The death of Christ DID have some heavenly impact, but it was for cleansing of the heavens and not for substitution for angels (as far as we can tell)—Heb 9.23ff, Col 1.20ff

    Romans 5 pretty well limited the effects of the ministry of Christ (of salvation) to humans.

    Hebrew 2.9 said He tasted death for every ‘man’–not every ‘creature’.

    Therefore, his atoning blood only had effect on humans. Sure he died for the world, but not rock, turtles etc. or even angels.

    I could go on and on, but I hope this brief response will help.

  2. Mary, now to Edwin’s and your question. “God said that Adam and Eve would die if they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, but they did not die, and since the Bible says God cannot sin does this indicate a lie? Can you please explain this to me?”

    If God cannot lie, then what did he mean? What is death? James 2:26 “For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead” The spirit/body apart=death, faith/works apart=death. When one separates one from another they are both dead.

    Isaiah 59:2 “but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear”

    As the result of Adam AND Eve’s disobedience (sin) they spiritually died. (Romans 5:12-17) and (Romans 6:13-16 & 19-23).

    Adam and Eve eventually experienced physical death because they were separated from the Tree of Life. But the day they ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil they died spiritually.

    When we are born again (Rom 6:1-10) Notice vs 6, our “old self” died. We are separated from sin and it’s condemnation through Christ’s death when we obey the gospel. When we turn away from sin (repent) and believe we raised with Christ (baptism) we have a new life/separation from sin.

  3. “Are the books/bibles that Moses wrote still in existence, e.g. not destroyed?” This is from Conner, age 12.

    According to the Massorite scribes, when a manuscript becomes worn/ or unable to use they buried it. Before they buried them they were copied under strict conditions. Even though the Massorites lived several hundred years after Christ, they still practiced an ancient tradition of copying. Even today many Jewish copyist follow many of the old traditions. Some even “baptize” themselves before they write God’s name. Some “baptize” themselves each day prior to their copying.

    One of the oldest text/book in existance was found among the Dea Sea Scrolls. They date one to 250 B.C. That is only a few hundred years after the autograph. The Jews thought each copy of each text was Holy. Therefore they would not have valued a older copy verses a newer copy.

    http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=357

    Your question ponders another. If God wanted us to know his word, why didn’t he preserve the autographs. How do we know he hasn’t preserved the autographs? All we know is that we are not aware of the autographs of either the Hebrew or Greek originals. The Dead Sea Scrolls gave up their secrets almost 1900 years after being hidden prior to the destruction of Jerusalem.

    Also, would not humans tend to worship these documents as they do relics and items like the shroud of Turin? In my opinion God did not intend for the autographs to survive, but it was us to the hearers to preserve their words. If men preverted them, either by accident or intentional, then it would not take away or lessen the autographs.

    But Peter wrote in 1 Peter 1:24 “All flesh is like grass and all it’s glory like the flower of grass. The grass withers and the flower falls, but the word of the Lord remains forever and this word is the good news that was preached to you” Mary you know your church history, we know how men have changed Bible teachings, God allowed it. He didn’t intervene, but “gave them up” We know during the Protestant Reformation there was an influx of Greek manuscripts that flooded Europe because of the fall of Greek speaking Constaniople. When people were exposed to God’s word, especially in their own language people revolted against the established church.

    In my opinion, the autographs of both Old and New Testaments are lost. Most likely because of the material they were written on. Only in climates that are perfect for their preservation do we find ancient copies. (perhaps they should make a new Indiana Jones movie 🙂

    There is a possibility that a second copy of the Ten Commandments are still hiden away in the Ark of the Covenant. They were written on stone. But that is discussion for a later time LOL

  4. Hey, Richard and Mary it’s Edwin just saying that me and my family are sooooooo happy that young Gabriel has been born can’t wait to see him
    And also I would just like to say that fir the question I asked can you please wait till I’m at the youth club and then you can anwer the question
    May GOD richly bless remember we are always praying for you and your family

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